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Frasier never jumped. It came teeteringly close with the low quality of a lot of the shows in Season 9 - Kirby, ugh - but the show ended at the right time.

sorry about my outburst i really am i respect women its not an outburst against them in general just why go to a website and boast their idea on one sided equality(to their favor of course) so this is my formal apology
im sorry

KNOCK IT OFF YOU BLOODY HARPIES!!!! IT DOESNT MATTER HAVE YOU NOT FIGURED OUT THAT NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU,ME,OR ANYBODY ELSE THINKS WANNA DO SOMETHING DO IT DONT COMPLAIN sorry for tha frasier was a good show.

One of my favorites. The show never jumped, but did get progressively worse following season 8, when Niles and Daphne got together. So much masterful comedy arose from Niles love from afar for Daphne. One early episode had Frasier complaining that Eddie was staring at him. During grace at dinner, Eddie stared at Frasier who yelled at him to "stop staring". Niles was staring at Daphne and gave a classic reaction that he wasn't staring. (at Daphne). You all know the ep. perfect. "Out with Dad" was a great episode, perfect farce. Sadly, Frasier succombed to some of the typical plot devices that so many shows go for. Baby for Daphne and Niles at the end. A bad one. The culturing up of Roz was a problem for me. They had Roz going to the opera the last couple of seasons. In season 10, Frasier and Niles manuevered themselves into a very fancy club, progressively making their way into more elite levels of the club, only to have their envy take them into an alley, in a pursuit for another level of elitism. A great episode. A great poke at their snobbism. So, while the last 3 seasons weren't total losses, Frasier was perhaps the greatest sitcom in tv history during it's first 7 seasons, and perhaps the 8th. The last 3 seasons were clearly a downside for this brilliant program, but it is still better than most anything on television.

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Never jumped, although the final seasons came close. My two fave comedies of the modern era are FRASIER and ROSEANNE. Talk about opposite ends of the social scale! And like ROSEANNE, I probably could have skipped the last couple of season without too much angst.

The Niles/Daphne relationship was never as interesting after they got together. I agree with many on here who believe Daphne changed for the worse. She was always sweet, strong and opionated, but never shrewish. Her character came close as time went on. While Wendie Malick is an excellent actress, I never warmed up to Ronnie. She was supposed to be a regular, down to earth gal, but I found her a bit tacky at times. This didn't work for me in terms of her relationship to Marty because it had been made very clear that his first wife was cultured and intellectual yet still could hang with Marty and his friends without being a snob. Ronnie didn't show that side. Then to top things off, they added Laura Linney for the closing episodes. No further comment from me out of respect to her fans.

Yet today watching the show in reruns, it holds up better than what passes for situation comedy on the air today. Great ensemble acting, witty writing and flawed, complex characters. We won't see its like again.

I watched many years ago this wonderful show, and all my hope was, to see the "indirect" goal of this show: Daphne and Niles fall in love.

Here in Germany, the show ended 2003 with this episode, where Frasier told Daphne, that Niles is in love with her. So... I watched the following episodes (which were aired in Germany in 2007) with the feeling of: Its said, so they have to come together and...

they came together, but after this "Frasier told Daphne the truth"-episode, it was not "my" show anymore. Sad but true....

if Frasier is sexist I dread to think how sexist Sex and The City is.

Frasier was great, but jumped when Niles and Daphne got together.

To the gals complaining about perceived sexism on the show, just leave it alone and go back to watching "The 'L' Word".

While Frasier did have it's share of good points, namely the hilarious David Hyde Pierce, the whole concept was a little tentative to me. I was relieved to read that a few lone fellow posters also felt that the character of Frasier was changed in some notable ways from his Cheers roots. I'm not totally sure I really ever bought that with his serious intellectual sensibility, he would have taken a job as radio shrink. The pop psychology drivel he spouted to his guests was really a little lame considering his allegded credentials. Also, I kinda liked his Cheers variation a little better- maybe I misinterpreted, but I kind of thought he was supposed to be a bit of a loser, hanging around a bar all day-he seemed to have no real life and a drinking problem. Additionally, in those days, there was something about his character that always struck me as a bit bitter and rueful, but in a way that made him interesting. But in his "Frasier" variation-he seemed a bit watered down, decidedly duller, and without edge. Also, he was infiniately less funny without Lilleth-even when they brought her back for guest spots, she got a lot of horrid material (sleeping with Niles, marrying a gay man, begging Frasier for sperm).......the character deserved better. As for the rest of the Frasier cast, other than Niles, they all seemed a little stock to me. Roz was kind of cool, but in a composite of a million other sitcom characters kind of way...the dad was cranky and working class (how original).....Daphne's appeal was always lost on me. The Frasier/Niles dynamic was by far the best element. The silly guest spots were cloying, and as for Frasier's love life, it definately got old to have repeated storylines of him blowing it with a sucession of forgettable women. And when he and Roz tried to hook up, the writers were obviously desperate. I didn't watch very much after Niles and Daphne got together, so I don't know how much that affected the overall quality of the show, but I'll take everyone's word for it since at the time the show really seemed to be running on fresh ideas.

OK, why is it fine and acceptable to make fun of men (like Homer Simpson) for being fat, stupid, lazy and boozers, but when you depict a woman as a shrew, fur flies? I'm a woman too (I can't stand feminism for being so one-sided), but it's not fair to make it where only men can be made into stereotypes. As for Frasier, I love Kelsey Grammer. He was great as Sideshow Bob, too.

I don't understand the rash of postings arguing that the women on Frasier were only there as sex objects. The two regular female cast members, Roz and Daphne, frequently got to burst Frasier's overinflated ego and were very funny on their own. Neither was portrayed as ditzy, and while Roz was always dating, you always got the impression she was the assertive one in the relationship. And when Frasier got a new girlfriend, he usually wound up making an ass of himself and she got off looking like the better person. If anything, the men (Frasier and Niles) were portrayed as aloof. The most down-to-earth guy on the show was Martin. The whole ensemble (Grammer, Pierce, Leeves, Gilpin and Mahoney) worked so well together - I don't think any of them were just there to reinforce stereotypes.

That being said, I think the show lost a little of its charm when Niles and Daphne finally became a couple. There were still some funny episodes in Seasons 8, 9 and 10 but the show's glory days will always (for me) be the first seven seasons. At least the cast and crew made the final season a great send-off for one of the best sitcoms of the 1990s.

I agree that this was a very sexist program where the few female characters were depicted as sex objects and the men were given the jucier roles. I hated this steaming pile of crap when it first came on, and I hate it even more in reruns!

One of the best comedic sitcoms of all time. The chemistry on the show was abundantly felt and resonated every week through the lovable, flawed characters. Long live Niles, my favorite always. The best chemistry was between Niles and Daphne. It still makes me blush...

Way to miss the point, Louisa. If Frasier treated any woman like a sex object I'm sure he made some long speech about realizing the error of his ways by the end of the episode. Mrs. Garrett would want you to give it another chance.

Stupid, god awful show about a male chauvenist radio psycologist who views women as nothing more than mere sex objects. Why they are rerunning this nauseating piece of crap sexist program on Lifetime back to back instead of "Facts of Life" is beyond me! Are men starting to take over one of the few women channels on TV all of a sudden?