Vote for why you think it jumped
Death (James Sr.)
Florida (Esther Rolle) leaves the cast, then returns
Keith
Jimmy Walker says "dyn-o-mite"
Never Jumped
Shark Bytes
I loved Good Times when it was new, and now, but it always jumped the shark to me when every single time they had opportunity to advance forward, florida would put on that steel toed boot of hers and forcibly kick away that opportunity. Maybe they should have killed off her character, not james.
It kills me when people say Good Times is RACIST. Lol!! Come on man! Notice the times that usually Michael says something against White people. It's not like EVERY EPISODE somebody is going "Kill White people"!! Just like I don't think Archie Bunker (and I'm a Black man whose mom watched these shows RELIGIOUSLY)is a racist per se. Archie is more ignorant than anything. Even against other Whites. Like on one of my favorite eps when Gloria's cab driver was still waiting in the driveway. The cab driver was German and Archie says "You want me to tell him to leave? You know those people won't do anything unless you give 'em an order"! LMAO! At least back in the 70's you could pretty much say what's on your mind. (No I am not on of these PC attackers,I could care less about PC,it's all about RESPECT. Seems the people who are against "PC" are the ones who want the days where the "N word" could still flow like spring water out of their mouths.
Well, there were some white people on the show; however, not many. I am white, and just loved this show. I also have more black friends than I do white.
Sadly, they would never make a show like this on television these days. Are there any poor ethnic families in America anymore? I guess not.
Or maybe its because everyone is so f-ing PC that the PC police would hunt down and kill the producers who made a show like this one.
Or maybe its because everyone is so f-ing PC that the PC police would hunt down and kill the producers who made a show like this one.
"Ridiculous how many people praise John Amos for playing a sterotypical father (always bellowing, threatening) and a stereotypical Black man (complaining about "the system" and "The Man"). What, exactly, was so awe inspiring about either of these performances?"
I've always thought that. I got so mad seeing how everytime something was happening, Micheal couldn't stay around, and how he just let his father threaten hi m like that.
I've always thought that. I got so mad seeing how everytime something was happening, Micheal couldn't stay around, and how he just let his father threaten hi m like that.
Here's what happened to the Evans' family in the future:
JJ - got shot/killed by white cops in accidental shooting.
Michael - got shot/killed by white cops for resisting arrest in public disturbance crime.
Thelma - married rich white dude and settled in Oregon and lived the good life.
Florida - won a huge lottery and split the ghetto to live in Palm Springs. Took neighbor lady across the hall with her.
James Sr. -- well... he died, but Florida bought him a new headstone.
JJ - got shot/killed by white cops in accidental shooting.
Michael - got shot/killed by white cops for resisting arrest in public disturbance crime.
Thelma - married rich white dude and settled in Oregon and lived the good life.
Florida - won a huge lottery and split the ghetto to live in Palm Springs. Took neighbor lady across the hall with her.
James Sr. -- well... he died, but Florida bought him a new headstone.
Should have been called "Little Project in the Ghetto." Norman Lear should be very, very, very ashamed of himself. The late John Amos should be commended for jumping off this loser and salvaging his career.
This is the ultimate in bad television. Worse than all other day one shark jumping shows put together and raised to the millionth power. So so soooooooooooo excruciatingly bad you have to wonder how anyone associated with the production lives down the memories. I'm sure Esther Rolle's spirit walks the CBS studios regretfully going "DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!"
And like Dawn Lyn on My Three Sons, I think Janet Jackson's portrayal of Penny could have been Emmy award winning, if "special" (i.e. retarded) was what had been intended. But I don't think it was. How the hell did she get that role, anyway? Was she the only one who auditioned?
This is the ultimate in bad television. Worse than all other day one shark jumping shows put together and raised to the millionth power. So so soooooooooooo excruciatingly bad you have to wonder how anyone associated with the production lives down the memories. I'm sure Esther Rolle's spirit walks the CBS studios regretfully going "DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!"
And like Dawn Lyn on My Three Sons, I think Janet Jackson's portrayal of Penny could have been Emmy award winning, if "special" (i.e. retarded) was what had been intended. But I don't think it was. How the hell did she get that role, anyway? Was she the only one who auditioned?
To the person named 'correct',
Thank you for the clarification. It doesn't change anything regarding my point, but it's always good to be as accurate as possible. and I appreciate the correction. Thanks.
Thank you for the clarification. It doesn't change anything regarding my point, but it's always good to be as accurate as possible. and I appreciate the correction. Thanks.
To Jim Nasium,
For what little it is worth, James Madison was not a member of the Federalist Party and the Federalists were not aka Democratic Republicans. They were rival parties.
Madison was a federalist (lower case f) as a member of the group who supported ratification of the Constitution in 1787-1788, before there were any political parties in this country.
Once the parties formed, he was in the Democratic-Republican Party. He was an opponent of the Federalists. The Federalists, by the way, unanimously opposed the War of 1812.
For what little it is worth, James Madison was not a member of the Federalist Party and the Federalists were not aka Democratic Republicans. They were rival parties.
Madison was a federalist (lower case f) as a member of the group who supported ratification of the Constitution in 1787-1788, before there were any political parties in this country.
Once the parties formed, he was in the Democratic-Republican Party. He was an opponent of the Federalists. The Federalists, by the way, unanimously opposed the War of 1812.
The biggest mistake was making JJ the main character of the show and forcing John Amos to leave. It became incredibly dumbed down after that. JW was not that good of an actor, only marginally funny and downright ugly. I didn't believe for a minute that he would be considered a "stud."
The nuclear family was at the heart of the show and when James left it 3/4 jumped. However, I think there were some good episodes when it was just Florida and even when it was just Wilona and the kids. The jump was completed when Penny was added and Bookman became a f/t player. It wasn't even Bookman that I didn't like, but rather the constant buffalo butt jokes every time he appeared on screen. Even when he was trying to help Wilona or the Evans out. It was painful to watch sometimes. As far as Penny, I liked Wilona being carefree and alone as a contrast to Florida. After she adopted Penny, she became indistinguishable from Florida.
One thing that always struck me was their finances. When James was alive many episodes centered around lack of money for rent, Florida's surgery, bills. After he died there were hardly any episodes of them not being able to pay rent, bills etc. In fact, they lived better after James died.
When I watch in reruns I often wonder what the show would have been like in later seasons had John Amos not left. I think Michael as an adolescent would have been much more interesting if James was still around.
Bottom line: James was an angry character, but essential. The show could have stayed good, yet slightly diminished, longer had they left the cast as is after James died.
The nuclear family was at the heart of the show and when James left it 3/4 jumped. However, I think there were some good episodes when it was just Florida and even when it was just Wilona and the kids. The jump was completed when Penny was added and Bookman became a f/t player. It wasn't even Bookman that I didn't like, but rather the constant buffalo butt jokes every time he appeared on screen. Even when he was trying to help Wilona or the Evans out. It was painful to watch sometimes. As far as Penny, I liked Wilona being carefree and alone as a contrast to Florida. After she adopted Penny, she became indistinguishable from Florida.
One thing that always struck me was their finances. When James was alive many episodes centered around lack of money for rent, Florida's surgery, bills. After he died there were hardly any episodes of them not being able to pay rent, bills etc. In fact, they lived better after James died.
When I watch in reruns I often wonder what the show would have been like in later seasons had John Amos not left. I think Michael as an adolescent would have been much more interesting if James was still around.
Bottom line: James was an angry character, but essential. The show could have stayed good, yet slightly diminished, longer had they left the cast as is after James died.
Good Times jumped a whole tank of sharks.
New Kid in Town: Penny.
Death: When James Evans "died", he really took the show with him.
Florida leaves, then comes back: But by then, nobody cared.
Annoying studio audience: Yelling, "Right On!" or "Mmm-Hmmm!" whenever a scripted black injustice was brought up was even worse than the over-the-top outbursts of hollering that Kramer would get when he'd stumble through Jerry's door.
Shots at Bookman: There's only so many variations of "You're a fat man" you can use before it becomes old quick.
GT was another Lear show that really overstayed it's welcome.
New Kid in Town: Penny.
Death: When James Evans "died", he really took the show with him.
Florida leaves, then comes back: But by then, nobody cared.
Annoying studio audience: Yelling, "Right On!" or "Mmm-Hmmm!" whenever a scripted black injustice was brought up was even worse than the over-the-top outbursts of hollering that Kramer would get when he'd stumble through Jerry's door.
Shots at Bookman: There's only so many variations of "You're a fat man" you can use before it becomes old quick.
GT was another Lear show that really overstayed it's welcome.
ChrisM sais, "Fox "News" is nothing but the propaganda arem of the GOP in generally, and it's war-mongering wing in particular."
lol. Good, mature comeback, dude. War-mongering wing. I've never heard that one before. How original. Let's see, who was president when our majors wars broke out....?
War of 1812 - James Madison (Federalist) - Otherwise known as the Democrat-Republican Party. This one's a toss-up.
Mexican-American War - James K. Polk (Democrat) - Hmm. Must have been a Republican's fault somewhere....
Civil War - Abe Lincoln (Republican) - Yep, guess this proves Repubs are war-mongers since Lincoln was prez when the Civil war started...
Spanish-American War - William McKinley (Republican) - Oh oh. Another Republican! Can ChrisM possibly be correct??
World War I - Woodrow Wilson - (Democrat) - Oops! Another war-mongering DEMOCRAT rears his ugly head....
World War II - FDR - (Democrat) - Hmmm. After the 6 major wars since the American Revolution, the war-monger score is Dems 3, Reps 2....
Korean War - Harry Truman (Democrat) - Ouch! The Dems pull ahead 4-2!
Vietnam War - John F. Kennedy/LBJ (Democrat) - Those war-mongering Republicans are falling even further behind ....
Persian Gulf War - George Bush, Sr. (Republican) - Ah, that's more like it! Way to go, George! We're coming back....!
Bosnia bombing - Bill Clinton (Democrat) - No! NOT BILL CLINTON! Say it ain't so!!
Iraq War - George W. Bush (Republican) - Whew! Another Bush to the rescue! Did we win?? Let's check the final tally....
D'OH!! The War-monger Award goes to the Democrats, 6-4! They beat us at our own game! Dang it!
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program, GOOD TIMES, where we find James yelling at the family and J.J. yelling 'DYNOMITE!".
Peace.
lol. Good, mature comeback, dude. War-mongering wing. I've never heard that one before. How original. Let's see, who was president when our majors wars broke out....?
War of 1812 - James Madison (Federalist) - Otherwise known as the Democrat-Republican Party. This one's a toss-up.
Mexican-American War - James K. Polk (Democrat) - Hmm. Must have been a Republican's fault somewhere....
Civil War - Abe Lincoln (Republican) - Yep, guess this proves Repubs are war-mongers since Lincoln was prez when the Civil war started...
Spanish-American War - William McKinley (Republican) - Oh oh. Another Republican! Can ChrisM possibly be correct??
World War I - Woodrow Wilson - (Democrat) - Oops! Another war-mongering DEMOCRAT rears his ugly head....
World War II - FDR - (Democrat) - Hmmm. After the 6 major wars since the American Revolution, the war-monger score is Dems 3, Reps 2....
Korean War - Harry Truman (Democrat) - Ouch! The Dems pull ahead 4-2!
Vietnam War - John F. Kennedy/LBJ (Democrat) - Those war-mongering Republicans are falling even further behind ....
Persian Gulf War - George Bush, Sr. (Republican) - Ah, that's more like it! Way to go, George! We're coming back....!
Bosnia bombing - Bill Clinton (Democrat) - No! NOT BILL CLINTON! Say it ain't so!!
Iraq War - George W. Bush (Republican) - Whew! Another Bush to the rescue! Did we win?? Let's check the final tally....
D'OH!! The War-monger Award goes to the Democrats, 6-4! They beat us at our own game! Dang it!
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program, GOOD TIMES, where we find James yelling at the family and J.J. yelling 'DYNOMITE!".
Peace.
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