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Really enjoyed reading all these posts. I love this show! One of the "in-jokes" that I recall involved Matt Frewer, who had a short arc on the show not long after Max Headroom was pushing Coca-Cola, whose new packaging featured a wavy line on the red background, and used "Catch the Wave" as an ad campaign. Frewer came out of the elevator at St. Elegius and waved at ... memory fails me which nurse, who ignored him. So he runs up to her and asks, "What's the matter, didn't you catch the wave?" Loved it. Missed a lot of the in-jokes, and that type of humor will be ever more hard to replicate as the number of channels and networks splits the commonality of viewership we all shared back in the days of 3 networks. My favorite television show of all time. If Jump The Shark had existed back then, the creators would likely have been accused of TRYING to Jump The Shark! All the things I've read that people are criticizing, come on! They were always done with a wink to the audience. And those who say the finale RUINED the show for you, so you couldn't watch it again? Hate to break it to you, kiddies, but the show really WASN'T real! The last episode could never negate the six years of brilliance that preceded it! I wish some TV memorabilia company would put out a snow globe with St. Eligius inside. I would certainly buy one. I know there was talk of a reunion when Ed Flanders killed himself, and they wisely decided against it. He was the heart of the show, and I would rather treasure the six seasons we can watch forever than have a watered-down reunion. Thanks to each and everyone one of the creative forces behind this masterpiece! This show never jumped. On rare occasions, the writing, a storyline or an over-the-top character smelled of shark bate, but the show always recovered. This show brilliantly blended tension and humor. I still laugh and/or cry when I think of certain episodes. The final episode was extrao. This show just had too much class to even think about jumping. I have not seen a single episode of my favorite show of all time since it went off the air. No, what we have on TV today is drivel. I feel sorry for those who felt cheated by the ending of this series. I loved SE because it spent it's entire life reaching beyond itself and did so right to the end; Pointing out to ourselves our own weakness in placing high value on the trivial while ignoring that which is priceless. The metaphor is carried even the audience by the show being the dream of an autistic child. In the same spirit as the ending to Men In Black. Which, by the way, I’ll bet was probably written by an SE fan.This was an incredible show filled with characters that you cared about. I miss to this day Dr. Craig, Dr. Westphal and Dr. Auchlander and all of those that worked and inhabited St. Eligius. I think of you often guys and gals. I await the day that I can see the show again on video or in reruns.I really do not think St. Elsewhere ever jumped but I have to agree that, dramatically, the conclusion of the series finale did not work for me. However, speaking as the sister of an autistic 38 year old man, the idea that all of those ideas and plots were going on in Tommy Westphall's mind does strike a chord in me.I agree with the posters who say this was an outstanding show right up until the final minutes of the final episode. To learn it never happened, that all of these characters in whom I had invested my time and emotions never really existed.....it ruined what had, up to that time, been one of the finest shows on television.Maybe there were some misses in this TV show, but I loved every single one of them. I would watch the worst St. Elsewhere today over any other show, American or otherwise if given a choice. if i were locked in a room for the rest of my life with one show on CD this is what id pick and id never get bored. the single best show ever produced. writing, acting, directing, all of it, superb, original, funny, touching, intriguing. the best character driven ensemble EVER. Year ago they were showing this on Bravo I think in the middle of the night. I hadn't seen it for so long by then that I actually GOT UP to watch it. I remember all the characters, all the plots, all the semi regulars with no effort today. it will NEVER be outdone. The first show I ever looked up On This site was St. Elsewhere and when I saw people writing what I had felt for years about this, I felt like I had come home. Whenever id hear people talking about ER id say, forget that drivel, St. Elsewhere did it better first, and they'd say, oh NO, this is so different. SO coming here and seeing these posts made me realize there are plenty of people out there who recognize what I have always felt.
One of television's greatest anomalies. Written by the same creative team that gave us "Hill Street Blues" and produced by quality television purveyors MTM, "St. Elsewhere" never garnered the numbers their brain-trust was accustomed to receiving. What "St. Elsewhere" lacked in ratings, it made up for with a healthy dose of Emmy nominations and wins and an unwavering loyalty among its viewers. For seven seasons, NBC was forced to weigh the objections of the audible minority against the legitimate ratings consideration. Uncharacteristically for a network on the verge of having a monopoly on the 1980s, NBC bowed to viewers for as long as they could. The late Brandon Tartikoff made the right choice conceding this ONE decision to his viewers. They made his network #1, so he let them have the one ratings-challenged show they loved. NBC simply wasn't going to get a "M*A*S*H"- or "All In the Family"-type run out of "St. Elsewhere". After seven less-than-stellar seasons, the ratings argument finally prevailed. Thanks to everyone who fought this fight for so long. "St. Elsewhere" owes you a lot.
St. Elsewhere did not jump the shark IMO. EVER. I've been in the medical field for 30 years and no other show has been more realistic. I never saw the one where Peter said he deserved it. Up until now, I always wondered if he really did it. Also, never knew Axelrod died. I wish the show was on tv or would come out on DVD. I have a couple of episodes on VHS and drag them out when I need a fix. Also have the Westphal Kiss My Ass pal episode taped. Oh, and btw, I've seen a lot of people who say it jumped when the Japanese congolom bought St. Eligius but that kind of thing was happening then, and they were just trying to show things that went on in hospitals, including that. What a wonderful show, cast, etc. I am glad that they are as missed as they are by more than myself.
One of television's greatest anomalies. Written by the same creative team that gave us "Hill Street Blues" and produced by quality television purveyors MTM, "St. Elsewhere" never garnered the numbers their brain-trust was accustomed to receiving. What "St. Elsewhere" lacked in ratings, it made up for with a healthy dose of Emmy nominations and wins and an unwavering loyalty among its viewers. For seven seasons, NBC was forced to weigh the objections of the audible minority against the legitimate ratings consideration. Uncharacteristically for a network on the verge of having a monopoly on the 1980s, NBC bowed to viewers for as long as they could. The late Brandon Tartikoff made the right choice conceding this ONE decision to his viewers. They made his network #1, so he let them have the one ratings-challenged show they loved. NBC simply wasn't going to get a "M*A*S*H"- or "All In the Family"-type run out of "St. Elsewhere". After seven less-than-stellar seasons, the ratings argument finally prevailed. Thanks to everyone who fought this fight for so long. "St. Elsewhere" owes you a lot.
St. Elsewhere did not jump the shark IMO. EVER. I've been in the medical field for 30 years and no other show has been more realistic. I never saw the one where Peter said he deserved it. Up until now, I always wondered if he really did it. Also, never knew Axelrod died. I wish the show was on tv or would come out on DVD. I have a couple of episodes on VHS and drag them out when I need a fix. Also have the Westphal Kiss My Ass pal episode taped. Oh, and btw, I've seen a lot of people who say it jumped when the Japanese congolom bought St. Eligius but that kind of thing was happening then, and they were just trying to show things that went on in hospitals, including that. What a wonderful show, cast, etc. I am glad that they are as missed as they are by more than myself.
Okay, I still watch this show...for the sole purpose of gaping in horror as it gets dragged farther and farther into the depths of absolute jumped-ness. Here is my layout of the characters:
Meredith: whiny, emotionally disabled to the point of just plain self-obsession and self-pity, completely selfish and overrated, full of herself, way less attractive than people try to make her out to be, and beyond it all she finally has the man who she made a big-*ss deal about in the whole second season...and then she has to take another half a season to make up her mind about him. And THEN she has completely unprecedented daddy-issues that make no sense...and honestly? Go talk to the victims of child abuse or s-xual abuse about intimacy issues: then complain about your perfect life.
Cristina: Used to be awesome and complicated in an intriguing way, now is just a p*ssy, heartless, angry, kiss-*ss, surgery hungry b*tch with no purpose except to be Meredith's "bestest friend in the whole wide world" sidekick. If she's as smart and talented as they've tried to make her seem, she'd been getting well-deserved attention and surgeries. Now she's being treated like the pity case who sucks so badly that no one can afford to tell them that they suck. Sandra Oh is an amazing actress with a lot of talent, but they're wasting her so badly...
Izzie: self-pitying, whiny (like Meredith), totally shallow and wasting everyone's time with dead deers and stuff that no real doctor would bother with. Worst of all, she's an unbearable hypocrite. She deliberately and illegally severed a man's life support system to steal a vital organ from another innocent patient, lies about it at the expense of her friends, then quits like she's the victim here. And yeah, the man she "loved" died, but it takes her half a season to get over it and fall in love with her best friend and another woman's husband. And we're supposed to like her? We're even supposed to agree with her when she insults Cristina, who never cheated on her unmarried boyfriend and who never violated legal and moral codes for love that died within a few weeks.
George: a wimpy, confused, extremely overrated, selfish man who has no right to feel sorry for himself. Actually, George has his good points still: I just want to yell at him, "GO BACK TO CALLIE, YOU TOTAL IDIOT! STOP MOPING AND RUNNING AWAY FROM EVERYONE!"
Alex: completely devoid of any emotion except for anger, and maybe libido. Also slightly true to his original character, although everything he does seems s-xually motivated now. Or vengefully motivated.
Bailey: nothing like herself AT ALL. I loved the old Bailey for her witty, brisk, tough love personality and her dedication to professionalism and work. Now she cries every other episode and freaks out whenever anyone does anything slightly unexpected, although since they're all so trite now...just totally lost her character. I grieve for the old Bailey.
Derek: an idiot. Meredith is treating you like sh*t, and you have no friends. Time to pull away and MOVE ON, instead of consecutively coddling her stupidity and then making obviously unwanted advances. Just...ew.
Hahn: what the h-ll?? She's not funny or witty, she's just plain mean and b*itchy. And favoring the stole-my-heart-killed-a-man, obviously unstable intern over the talented, hard-*ss intern who she's already worked with and admired (George's dad, remember? She loved her when they did surgery on him) is just stupid. Useless character with no sex appeal.
Callie: I love Sara Ramirez with all my heart, and she's got a gorgeous voice, and I actually still like Callie. She's not wallowing in self-pity like everyone else has after a break-up, she's dusted herself off and is acting like a normal person. Plus, she's the only one who can see past Izzie's "sleeping with a married man is okay as long as I feel bad about it and act all self-sacrificing" act. Izzie got what she deserved when she tried to "apologize" to Callie.
Mark and the Chief: mostly themselves. Okay but not very interesting.
Lexie: the whiniest, most self-pitying and selfish, overrated to the point of disgust character you could possibly imagine. Leaving MGH (which, if she'd actually gone to school here in Boston, she'd know to call MGH instead of MassGen) to be near your recently estranged father, that I can understand. But bugging and chasing after your half-sister who you've never met and clearly feels uncomfortable around you, and doing so to the point of interfering with medical business, is something only a truly selfish idiot would do. The one thing I agree with Meredith about is the "get your own life and stop living in mine" comment. I mean, honestly.
Throw in a bunch of meaningless interns and patients who get completely swallowed up in the petty and self-absorbed inter-hospital relationships, and whose only purpose is to convolute the whole setting...and you have Grey's Anatomy.
They should have stopped at season 2. It was good until then...then it just jumped like a bunny over that shark. A bunny that should be put out of its misery.
Another boring nighttime soap.
And can that asian chick BE any uglier???
This is the dumbest show. "Desperate Housewive" does "ER".
As the supposed audience identification character, Meredith is the most frustrating and impossible to like. It's now gotten to the point for me that I don't even like the actress (not really fair, I know)because of how the character is written. Now she's not only contradictory, confused and screwed up (like almost all attractive female characters on TV), she's become judgemental and snobbish. Just have a scene with her and Christina in bed and get it over with, for crying out loud!! They already have this cultish "person" thing going on to the exclusion of everyone else, so let them make each other miserable instead of everyone else, including the viewers. I'm happy for Kate Walsh getting her own show, but I miss her. Alex and Miranda are about the only two characters that I can stand to watch anymore. At least they've been consistent from the beginning. Izzy and George should just admit that they're best friends who love each other and move on to others. I even sense that with the actors. The two of them as a couple just isn't working.
Terrible, soft porn, awful actors who all think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I do enjoy the unintended irony that the character for whom the show was "cutsey" named, is the least interesting character and by far the worst actor. Poetic justice.
It jumped when they fired Isaiah Washington over a misunderstanding. Talk about real-life personal drama overshadowing the plotlines on the show. Every time Burke and George were in a scene together you could tell the show was symbolically punishing the Burke character, while glorifying Geogre.
Now we're stuck with a bunch of whiny, pathetic, sad-sack characters I don't care for. The show's totally starved of creativity to have so many redundant skeletons of relationships and hook-ups in a mere three and a half seasons. It's become totally a gimmick show and formulaic. Odd hook-up for no reason+ Bailey wisdom+ whiny self-centered pathos+ over-the-top illness+ crappy Indie rock tune+ less and less social interaction between residents+ grating, nasally voice over which makes Mederith sound smarter than she acts. Did I leave anything out?
Worst of all a show that was once accessible to any viewer now has a feminist, man-bashing air to it I don't care for. Thanks Ms. Rhimes for destroying what was once a great TV show.
Meredith Grey. I would really like her to be killed off. Not too much to ask, they keep messing with her character in the same annoying ways- so have her walk the plank- and take McDreamy with her.
I Love Greys Anatomy and i dont think it ever jumped the shark !!!.. Its doing great so none of your opionions even matter get over yourselves its Amazingggg !!!
I used to watch Grey's Anatomy all the time in Season 1 and 2. I loved it when Denny was on.
However, I stopped watching less after Izzy stops Denny's heart. I was a big fan of Denny and it sucked that they ended his life like that.
I was disappointed to hear that Burke left the show as well, which officially made me never watch the show again. I liked seeing Christina and Burke together more than anyone on that show. So now, I'm never watching again.
I'll stick to watching Seasons 1 and 2 and look on what could've been. The so-called scripts are all fetid bilgewater, and one of the main characters is a talking horse named Christine.Concerning the episode, it was awful. Grey's Anatomy will NEVER be the same it was on its first two seasons. Spontaneous, fun, thrilling and not so fantasious. Are we supposed to believe all this extreme idiotic unrealistic diseases, dramas and "Relationships"? The only thing that could happen is that the Chief declares his love for Meredith while both of them are performing a brain transplant surgery to a monkey in the hospital's parking lot. I mean, jump the shark stands for a situation that takes away a show's credibility. In seasons 1 and 2, patients died and the doctors had to get
over it. There were no 80 minutes in hell (that's probably where Meredith's going to) to say hi to your dog, your rescuer, your dog, your second best friend's dead fiancé, did I already mentioned your dog? I couldn't believe they pulled something as unbelievable as that. As a matter of fact, let's coin the use of "Ferry incident" from now on. One of TV's most stupid moments. My intelligence gets insulted every time we discover (insert male doctor's name) had always wanted to get laid with (insert female doctor's name). Are we to buy that?
Like someone said in this post, for me, Seasons 1 and 2 are all that there is for this show. Derek goes back with Adison, Burke and Cristina eventually marry, Izzie never recovers from Denny's death, George has a hard time becoming
a good doctor and Meredith continues to be single forever. The end.
Meredith: whiny, emotionally disabled to the point of just plain self-obsession and self-pity, completely selfish and overrated, full of herself, way less attractive than people try to make her out to be, and beyond it all she finally has the man who she made a big-*ss deal about in the whole second season...and then she has to take another half a season to make up her mind about him. And THEN she has completely unprecedented daddy-issues that make no sense...and honestly? Go talk to the victims of child abuse or s-xual abuse about intimacy issues: then complain about your perfect life.
Cristina: Used to be awesome and complicated in an intriguing way, now is just a p*ssy, heartless, angry, kiss-*ss, surgery hungry b*tch with no purpose except to be Meredith's "bestest friend in the whole wide world" sidekick. If she's as smart and talented as they've tried to make her seem, she'd been getting well-deserved attention and surgeries. Now she's being treated like the pity case who sucks so badly that no one can afford to tell them that they suck. Sandra Oh is an amazing actress with a lot of talent, but they're wasting her so badly...
Izzie: self-pitying, whiny (like Meredith), totally shallow and wasting everyone's time with dead deers and stuff that no real doctor would bother with. Worst of all, she's an unbearable hypocrite. She deliberately and illegally severed a man's life support system to steal a vital organ from another innocent patient, lies about it at the expense of her friends, then quits like she's the victim here. And yeah, the man she "loved" died, but it takes her half a season to get over it and fall in love with her best friend and another woman's husband. And we're supposed to like her? We're even supposed to agree with her when she insults Cristina, who never cheated on her unmarried boyfriend and who never violated legal and moral codes for love that died within a few weeks.
George: a wimpy, confused, extremely overrated, selfish man who has no right to feel sorry for himself. Actually, George has his good points still: I just want to yell at him, "GO BACK TO CALLIE, YOU TOTAL IDIOT! STOP MOPING AND RUNNING AWAY FROM EVERYONE!"
Alex: completely devoid of any emotion except for anger, and maybe libido. Also slightly true to his original character, although everything he does seems s-xually motivated now. Or vengefully motivated.
Bailey: nothing like herself AT ALL. I loved the old Bailey for her witty, brisk, tough love personality and her dedication to professionalism and work. Now she cries every other episode and freaks out whenever anyone does anything slightly unexpected, although since they're all so trite now...just totally lost her character. I grieve for the old Bailey.
Derek: an idiot. Meredith is treating you like sh*t, and you have no friends. Time to pull away and MOVE ON, instead of consecutively coddling her stupidity and then making obviously unwanted advances. Just...ew.
Hahn: what the h-ll?? She's not funny or witty, she's just plain mean and b*itchy. And favoring the stole-my-heart-killed-a-man, obviously unstable intern over the talented, hard-*ss intern who she's already worked with and admired (George's dad, remember? She loved her when they did surgery on him) is just stupid. Useless character with no sex appeal.
Callie: I love Sara Ramirez with all my heart, and she's got a gorgeous voice, and I actually still like Callie. She's not wallowing in self-pity like everyone else has after a break-up, she's dusted herself off and is acting like a normal person. Plus, she's the only one who can see past Izzie's "sleeping with a married man is okay as long as I feel bad about it and act all self-sacrificing" act. Izzie got what she deserved when she tried to "apologize" to Callie.
Mark and the Chief: mostly themselves. Okay but not very interesting.
Lexie: the whiniest, most self-pitying and selfish, overrated to the point of disgust character you could possibly imagine. Leaving MGH (which, if she'd actually gone to school here in Boston, she'd know to call MGH instead of MassGen) to be near your recently estranged father, that I can understand. But bugging and chasing after your half-sister who you've never met and clearly feels uncomfortable around you, and doing so to the point of interfering with medical business, is something only a truly selfish idiot would do. The one thing I agree with Meredith about is the "get your own life and stop living in mine" comment. I mean, honestly.
Throw in a bunch of meaningless interns and patients who get completely swallowed up in the petty and self-absorbed inter-hospital relationships, and whose only purpose is to convolute the whole setting...and you have Grey's Anatomy.
They should have stopped at season 2. It was good until then...then it just jumped like a bunny over that shark. A bunny that should be put out of its misery.
Another boring nighttime soap.
And can that asian chick BE any uglier???
This is the dumbest show. "Desperate Housewive" does "ER".
As the supposed audience identification character, Meredith is the most frustrating and impossible to like. It's now gotten to the point for me that I don't even like the actress (not really fair, I know)because of how the character is written. Now she's not only contradictory, confused and screwed up (like almost all attractive female characters on TV), she's become judgemental and snobbish. Just have a scene with her and Christina in bed and get it over with, for crying out loud!! They already have this cultish "person" thing going on to the exclusion of everyone else, so let them make each other miserable instead of everyone else, including the viewers. I'm happy for Kate Walsh getting her own show, but I miss her. Alex and Miranda are about the only two characters that I can stand to watch anymore. At least they've been consistent from the beginning. Izzy and George should just admit that they're best friends who love each other and move on to others. I even sense that with the actors. The two of them as a couple just isn't working.
Terrible, soft porn, awful actors who all think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I do enjoy the unintended irony that the character for whom the show was "cutsey" named, is the least interesting character and by far the worst actor. Poetic justice.
It jumped when they fired Isaiah Washington over a misunderstanding. Talk about real-life personal drama overshadowing the plotlines on the show. Every time Burke and George were in a scene together you could tell the show was symbolically punishing the Burke character, while glorifying Geogre.
Now we're stuck with a bunch of whiny, pathetic, sad-sack characters I don't care for. The show's totally starved of creativity to have so many redundant skeletons of relationships and hook-ups in a mere three and a half seasons. It's become totally a gimmick show and formulaic. Odd hook-up for no reason+ Bailey wisdom+ whiny self-centered pathos+ over-the-top illness+ crappy Indie rock tune+ less and less social interaction between residents+ grating, nasally voice over which makes Mederith sound smarter than she acts. Did I leave anything out?
Worst of all a show that was once accessible to any viewer now has a feminist, man-bashing air to it I don't care for. Thanks Ms. Rhimes for destroying what was once a great TV show.
Meredith Grey. I would really like her to be killed off. Not too much to ask, they keep messing with her character in the same annoying ways- so have her walk the plank- and take McDreamy with her.
I Love Greys Anatomy and i dont think it ever jumped the shark !!!.. Its doing great so none of your opionions even matter get over yourselves its Amazingggg !!!
I used to watch Grey's Anatomy all the time in Season 1 and 2. I loved it when Denny was on.
However, I stopped watching less after Izzy stops Denny's heart. I was a big fan of Denny and it sucked that they ended his life like that.
I was disappointed to hear that Burke left the show as well, which officially made me never watch the show again. I liked seeing Christina and Burke together more than anyone on that show. So now, I'm never watching again.
I'll stick to watching Seasons 1 and 2 and look on what could've been. The so-called scripts are all fetid bilgewater, and one of the main characters is a talking horse named Christine.Concerning the episode, it was awful. Grey's Anatomy will NEVER be the same it was on its first two seasons. Spontaneous, fun, thrilling and not so fantasious. Are we supposed to believe all this extreme idiotic unrealistic diseases, dramas and "Relationships"? The only thing that could happen is that the Chief declares his love for Meredith while both of them are performing a brain transplant surgery to a monkey in the hospital's parking lot. I mean, jump the shark stands for a situation that takes away a show's credibility. In seasons 1 and 2, patients died and the doctors had to get
over it. There were no 80 minutes in hell (that's probably where Meredith's going to) to say hi to your dog, your rescuer, your dog, your second best friend's dead fiancé, did I already mentioned your dog? I couldn't believe they pulled something as unbelievable as that. As a matter of fact, let's coin the use of "Ferry incident" from now on. One of TV's most stupid moments. My intelligence gets insulted every time we discover (insert male doctor's name) had always wanted to get laid with (insert female doctor's name). Are we to buy that?
Like someone said in this post, for me, Seasons 1 and 2 are all that there is for this show. Derek goes back with Adison, Burke and Cristina eventually marry, Izzie never recovers from Denny's death, George has a hard time becoming
a good doctor and Meredith continues to be single forever. The end.
Really enjoyed reading all these posts. I love this show! One of the "in-jokes" that I recall involved Matt Frewer, who had a short arc on the show not long after Max Headroom was pushing Coca-Cola, whose new packaging featured a wavy line on the red background, and used "Catch the Wave" as an ad campaign. Frewer came out of the elevator at St. Elegius and waved at ... memory fails me which nurse, who ignored him. So he runs up to her and asks, "What's the matter, didn't you catch the wave?" Loved it. Missed a lot of the in-jokes, and that type of humor will be ever more hard to replicate as the number of channels and networks splits the commonality of viewership we all shared back in the days of 3 networks. My favorite television show of all time. If Jump The Shark had existed back then, the creators would likely have been accused of TRYING to Jump The Shark! All the things I've read that people are criticizing, come on! They were always done with a wink to the audience. And those who say the finale RUINED the show for you, so you couldn't watch it again? Hate to break it to you, kiddies, but the show really WASN'T real! The last episode could never negate the six years of brilliance that preceded it! I wish some TV memorabilia company would put out a snow globe with St. Eligius inside. I would certainly buy one. I know there was talk of a reunion when Ed Flanders killed himself, and they wisely decided against it. He was the heart of the show, and I would rather treasure the six seasons we can watch forever than have a watered-down reunion. Thanks to each and everyone one of the creative forces behind this masterpiece! This show never jumped. On rare occasions, the writing, a storyline or an over-the-top character smelled of shark bate, but the show always recovered. This show brilliantly blended tension and humor. I still laugh and/or cry when I think of certain episodes. The final episode was extrao. This show just had too much class to even think about jumping. I have not seen a single episode of my favorite show of all time since it went off the air. No, what we have on TV today is drivel. I feel sorry for those who felt cheated by the ending of this series. I loved SE because it spent it's entire life reaching beyond itself and did so right to the end; Pointing out to ourselves our own weakness in placing high value on the trivial while ignoring that which is priceless. The metaphor is carried even the audience by the show being the dream of an autistic child. In the same spirit as the ending to Men In Black. Which, by the way, I’ll bet was probably written by an SE fan.This was an incredible show filled with characters that you cared about. I miss to this day Dr. Craig, Dr. Westphal and Dr. Auchlander and all of those that worked and inhabited St. Eligius. I think of you often guys and gals. I await the day that I can see the show again on video or in reruns.I really do not think St. Elsewhere ever jumped but I have to agree that, dramatically, the conclusion of the series finale did not work for me. However, speaking as the sister of an autistic 38 year old man, the idea that all of those ideas and plots were going on in Tommy Westphall's mind does strike a chord in me.I agree with the posters who say this was an outstanding show right up until the final minutes of the final episode. To learn it never happened, that all of these characters in whom I had invested my time and emotions never really existed.....it ruined what had, up to that time, been one of the finest shows on television.Maybe there were some misses in this TV show, but I loved every single one of them. I would watch the worst St. Elsewhere today over any other show, American or otherwise if given a choice. if i were locked in a room for the rest of my life with one show on CD this is what id pick and id never get bored. the single best show ever produced. writing, acting, directing, all of it, superb, original, funny, touching, intriguing. the best character driven ensemble EVER. Year ago they were showing this on Bravo I think in the middle of the night. I hadn't seen it for so long by then that I actually GOT UP to watch it. I remember all the characters, all the plots, all the semi regulars with no effort today. it will NEVER be outdone. The first show I ever looked up On This site was St. Elsewhere and when I saw people writing what I had felt for years about this, I felt like I had come home. Whenever id hear people talking about ER id say, forget that drivel, St. Elsewhere did it better first, and they'd say, oh NO, this is so different. SO coming here and seeing these posts made me realize there are plenty of people out there who recognize what I have always felt.
One of television's greatest anomalies. Written by the same creative team that gave us "Hill Street Blues" and produced by quality television purveyors MTM, "St. Elsewhere" never garnered the numbers their brain-trust was accustomed to receiving. What "St. Elsewhere" lacked in ratings, it made up for with a healthy dose of Emmy nominations and wins and an unwavering loyalty among its viewers. For seven seasons, NBC was forced to weigh the objections of the audible minority against the legitimate ratings consideration. Uncharacteristically for a network on the verge of having a monopoly on the 1980s, NBC bowed to viewers for as long as they could. The late Brandon Tartikoff made the right choice conceding this ONE decision to his viewers. They made his network #1, so he let them have the one ratings-challenged show they loved. NBC simply wasn't going to get a "M*A*S*H"- or "All In the Family"-type run out of "St. Elsewhere". After seven less-than-stellar seasons, the ratings argument finally prevailed. Thanks to everyone who fought this fight for so long. "St. Elsewhere" owes you a lot.
St. Elsewhere did not jump the shark IMO. EVER. I've been in the medical field for 30 years and no other show has been more realistic. I never saw the one where Peter said he deserved it. Up until now, I always wondered if he really did it. Also, never knew Axelrod died. I wish the show was on tv or would come out on DVD. I have a couple of episodes on VHS and drag them out when I need a fix. Also have the Westphal Kiss My Ass pal episode taped. Oh, and btw, I've seen a lot of people who say it jumped when the Japanese congolom bought St. Eligius but that kind of thing was happening then, and they were just trying to show things that went on in hospitals, including that. What a wonderful show, cast, etc. I am glad that they are as missed as they are by more than myself.
One of television's greatest anomalies. Written by the same creative team that gave us "Hill Street Blues" and produced by quality television purveyors MTM, "St. Elsewhere" never garnered the numbers their brain-trust was accustomed to receiving. What "St. Elsewhere" lacked in ratings, it made up for with a healthy dose of Emmy nominations and wins and an unwavering loyalty among its viewers. For seven seasons, NBC was forced to weigh the objections of the audible minority against the legitimate ratings consideration. Uncharacteristically for a network on the verge of having a monopoly on the 1980s, NBC bowed to viewers for as long as they could. The late Brandon Tartikoff made the right choice conceding this ONE decision to his viewers. They made his network #1, so he let them have the one ratings-challenged show they loved. NBC simply wasn't going to get a "M*A*S*H"- or "All In the Family"-type run out of "St. Elsewhere". After seven less-than-stellar seasons, the ratings argument finally prevailed. Thanks to everyone who fought this fight for so long. "St. Elsewhere" owes you a lot.
St. Elsewhere did not jump the shark IMO. EVER. I've been in the medical field for 30 years and no other show has been more realistic. I never saw the one where Peter said he deserved it. Up until now, I always wondered if he really did it. Also, never knew Axelrod died. I wish the show was on tv or would come out on DVD. I have a couple of episodes on VHS and drag them out when I need a fix. Also have the Westphal Kiss My Ass pal episode taped. Oh, and btw, I've seen a lot of people who say it jumped when the Japanese congolom bought St. Eligius but that kind of thing was happening then, and they were just trying to show things that went on in hospitals, including that. What a wonderful show, cast, etc. I am glad that they are as missed as they are by more than myself.
Okay, I still watch this show...for the sole purpose of gaping in horror as it gets dragged farther and farther into the depths of absolute jumped-ness. Here is my layout of the characters:
Meredith: whiny, emotionally disabled to the point of just plain self-obsession and self-pity, completely selfish and overrated, full of herself, way less attractive than people try to make her out to be, and beyond it all she finally has the man who she made a big-*ss deal about in the whole second season...and then she has to take another half a season to make up her mind about him. And THEN she has completely unprecedented daddy-issues that make no sense...and honestly? Go talk to the victims of child abuse or s-xual abuse about intimacy issues: then complain about your perfect life.
Cristina: Used to be awesome and complicated in an intriguing way, now is just a p*ssy, heartless, angry, kiss-*ss, surgery hungry b*tch with no purpose except to be Meredith's "bestest friend in the whole wide world" sidekick. If she's as smart and talented as they've tried to make her seem, she'd been getting well-deserved attention and surgeries. Now she's being treated like the pity case who sucks so badly that no one can afford to tell them that they suck. Sandra Oh is an amazing actress with a lot of talent, but they're wasting her so badly...
Izzie: self-pitying, whiny (like Meredith), totally shallow and wasting everyone's time with dead deers and stuff that no real doctor would bother with. Worst of all, she's an unbearable hypocrite. She deliberately and illegally severed a man's life support system to steal a vital organ from another innocent patient, lies about it at the expense of her friends, then quits like she's the victim here. And yeah, the man she "loved" died, but it takes her half a season to get over it and fall in love with her best friend and another woman's husband. And we're supposed to like her? We're even supposed to agree with her when she insults Cristina, who never cheated on her unmarried boyfriend and who never violated legal and moral codes for love that died within a few weeks.
George: a wimpy, confused, extremely overrated, selfish man who has no right to feel sorry for himself. Actually, George has his good points still: I just want to yell at him, "GO BACK TO CALLIE, YOU TOTAL IDIOT! STOP MOPING AND RUNNING AWAY FROM EVERYONE!"
Alex: completely devoid of any emotion except for anger, and maybe libido. Also slightly true to his original character, although everything he does seems s-xually motivated now. Or vengefully motivated.
Bailey: nothing like herself AT ALL. I loved the old Bailey for her witty, brisk, tough love personality and her dedication to professionalism and work. Now she cries every other episode and freaks out whenever anyone does anything slightly unexpected, although since they're all so trite now...just totally lost her character. I grieve for the old Bailey.
Derek: an idiot. Meredith is treating you like sh*t, and you have no friends. Time to pull away and MOVE ON, instead of consecutively coddling her stupidity and then making obviously unwanted advances. Just...ew.
Hahn: what the h-ll?? She's not funny or witty, she's just plain mean and b*itchy. And favoring the stole-my-heart-killed-a-man, obviously unstable intern over the talented, hard-*ss intern who she's already worked with and admired (George's dad, remember? She loved her when they did surgery on him) is just stupid. Useless character with no sex appeal.
Callie: I love Sara Ramirez with all my heart, and she's got a gorgeous voice, and I actually still like Callie. She's not wallowing in self-pity like everyone else has after a break-up, she's dusted herself off and is acting like a normal person. Plus, she's the only one who can see past Izzie's "sleeping with a married man is okay as long as I feel bad about it and act all self-sacrificing" act. Izzie got what she deserved when she tried to "apologize" to Callie.
Mark and the Chief: mostly themselves. Okay but not very interesting.
Lexie: the whiniest, most self-pitying and selfish, overrated to the point of disgust character you could possibly imagine. Leaving MGH (which, if she'd actually gone to school here in Boston, she'd know to call MGH instead of MassGen) to be near your recently estranged father, that I can understand. But bugging and chasing after your half-sister who you've never met and clearly feels uncomfortable around you, and doing so to the point of interfering with medical business, is something only a truly selfish idiot would do. The one thing I agree with Meredith about is the "get your own life and stop living in mine" comment. I mean, honestly.
Throw in a bunch of meaningless interns and patients who get completely swallowed up in the petty and self-absorbed inter-hospital relationships, and whose only purpose is to convolute the whole setting...and you have Grey's Anatomy.
They should have stopped at season 2. It was good until then...then it just jumped like a bunny over that shark. A bunny that should be put out of its misery.
Another boring nighttime soap.
And can that asian chick BE any uglier???
This is the dumbest show. "Desperate Housewive" does "ER".
As the supposed audience identification character, Meredith is the most frustrating and impossible to like. It's now gotten to the point for me that I don't even like the actress (not really fair, I know)because of how the character is written. Now she's not only contradictory, confused and screwed up (like almost all attractive female characters on TV), she's become judgemental and snobbish. Just have a scene with her and Christina in bed and get it over with, for crying out loud!! They already have this cultish "person" thing going on to the exclusion of everyone else, so let them make each other miserable instead of everyone else, including the viewers. I'm happy for Kate Walsh getting her own show, but I miss her. Alex and Miranda are about the only two characters that I can stand to watch anymore. At least they've been consistent from the beginning. Izzy and George should just admit that they're best friends who love each other and move on to others. I even sense that with the actors. The two of them as a couple just isn't working.
Terrible, soft porn, awful actors who all think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I do enjoy the unintended irony that the character for whom the show was "cutsey" named, is the least interesting character and by far the worst actor. Poetic justice.
It jumped when they fired Isaiah Washington over a misunderstanding. Talk about real-life personal drama overshadowing the plotlines on the show. Every time Burke and George were in a scene together you could tell the show was symbolically punishing the Burke character, while glorifying Geogre.
Now we're stuck with a bunch of whiny, pathetic, sad-sack characters I don't care for. The show's totally starved of creativity to have so many redundant skeletons of relationships and hook-ups in a mere three and a half seasons. It's become totally a gimmick show and formulaic. Odd hook-up for no reason+ Bailey wisdom+ whiny self-centered pathos+ over-the-top illness+ crappy Indie rock tune+ less and less social interaction between residents+ grating, nasally voice over which makes Mederith sound smarter than she acts. Did I leave anything out?
Worst of all a show that was once accessible to any viewer now has a feminist, man-bashing air to it I don't care for. Thanks Ms. Rhimes for destroying what was once a great TV show.
Meredith Grey. I would really like her to be killed off. Not too much to ask, they keep messing with her character in the same annoying ways- so have her walk the plank- and take McDreamy with her.
I Love Greys Anatomy and i dont think it ever jumped the shark !!!.. Its doing great so none of your opionions even matter get over yourselves its Amazingggg !!!
I used to watch Grey's Anatomy all the time in Season 1 and 2. I loved it when Denny was on.
However, I stopped watching less after Izzy stops Denny's heart. I was a big fan of Denny and it sucked that they ended his life like that.
I was disappointed to hear that Burke left the show as well, which officially made me never watch the show again. I liked seeing Christina and Burke together more than anyone on that show. So now, I'm never watching again.
I'll stick to watching Seasons 1 and 2 and look on what could've been. The so-called scripts are all fetid bilgewater, and one of the main characters is a talking horse named Christine.Concerning the episode, it was awful. Grey's Anatomy will NEVER be the same it was on its first two seasons. Spontaneous, fun, thrilling and not so fantasious. Are we supposed to believe all this extreme idiotic unrealistic diseases, dramas and "Relationships"? The only thing that could happen is that the Chief declares his love for Meredith while both of them are performing a brain transplant surgery to a monkey in the hospital's parking lot. I mean, jump the shark stands for a situation that takes away a show's credibility. In seasons 1 and 2, patients died and the doctors had to get
over it. There were no 80 minutes in hell (that's probably where Meredith's going to) to say hi to your dog, your rescuer, your dog, your second best friend's dead fiancé, did I already mentioned your dog? I couldn't believe they pulled something as unbelievable as that. As a matter of fact, let's coin the use of "Ferry incident" from now on. One of TV's most stupid moments. My intelligence gets insulted every time we discover (insert male doctor's name) had always wanted to get laid with (insert female doctor's name). Are we to buy that?
Like someone said in this post, for me, Seasons 1 and 2 are all that there is for this show. Derek goes back with Adison, Burke and Cristina eventually marry, Izzie never recovers from Denny's death, George has a hard time becoming
a good doctor and Meredith continues to be single forever. The end.
Meredith: whiny, emotionally disabled to the point of just plain self-obsession and self-pity, completely selfish and overrated, full of herself, way less attractive than people try to make her out to be, and beyond it all she finally has the man who she made a big-*ss deal about in the whole second season...and then she has to take another half a season to make up her mind about him. And THEN she has completely unprecedented daddy-issues that make no sense...and honestly? Go talk to the victims of child abuse or s-xual abuse about intimacy issues: then complain about your perfect life.
Cristina: Used to be awesome and complicated in an intriguing way, now is just a p*ssy, heartless, angry, kiss-*ss, surgery hungry b*tch with no purpose except to be Meredith's "bestest friend in the whole wide world" sidekick. If she's as smart and talented as they've tried to make her seem, she'd been getting well-deserved attention and surgeries. Now she's being treated like the pity case who sucks so badly that no one can afford to tell them that they suck. Sandra Oh is an amazing actress with a lot of talent, but they're wasting her so badly...
Izzie: self-pitying, whiny (like Meredith), totally shallow and wasting everyone's time with dead deers and stuff that no real doctor would bother with. Worst of all, she's an unbearable hypocrite. She deliberately and illegally severed a man's life support system to steal a vital organ from another innocent patient, lies about it at the expense of her friends, then quits like she's the victim here. And yeah, the man she "loved" died, but it takes her half a season to get over it and fall in love with her best friend and another woman's husband. And we're supposed to like her? We're even supposed to agree with her when she insults Cristina, who never cheated on her unmarried boyfriend and who never violated legal and moral codes for love that died within a few weeks.
George: a wimpy, confused, extremely overrated, selfish man who has no right to feel sorry for himself. Actually, George has his good points still: I just want to yell at him, "GO BACK TO CALLIE, YOU TOTAL IDIOT! STOP MOPING AND RUNNING AWAY FROM EVERYONE!"
Alex: completely devoid of any emotion except for anger, and maybe libido. Also slightly true to his original character, although everything he does seems s-xually motivated now. Or vengefully motivated.
Bailey: nothing like herself AT ALL. I loved the old Bailey for her witty, brisk, tough love personality and her dedication to professionalism and work. Now she cries every other episode and freaks out whenever anyone does anything slightly unexpected, although since they're all so trite now...just totally lost her character. I grieve for the old Bailey.
Derek: an idiot. Meredith is treating you like sh*t, and you have no friends. Time to pull away and MOVE ON, instead of consecutively coddling her stupidity and then making obviously unwanted advances. Just...ew.
Hahn: what the h-ll?? She's not funny or witty, she's just plain mean and b*itchy. And favoring the stole-my-heart-killed-a-man, obviously unstable intern over the talented, hard-*ss intern who she's already worked with and admired (George's dad, remember? She loved her when they did surgery on him) is just stupid. Useless character with no sex appeal.
Callie: I love Sara Ramirez with all my heart, and she's got a gorgeous voice, and I actually still like Callie. She's not wallowing in self-pity like everyone else has after a break-up, she's dusted herself off and is acting like a normal person. Plus, she's the only one who can see past Izzie's "sleeping with a married man is okay as long as I feel bad about it and act all self-sacrificing" act. Izzie got what she deserved when she tried to "apologize" to Callie.
Mark and the Chief: mostly themselves. Okay but not very interesting.
Lexie: the whiniest, most self-pitying and selfish, overrated to the point of disgust character you could possibly imagine. Leaving MGH (which, if she'd actually gone to school here in Boston, she'd know to call MGH instead of MassGen) to be near your recently estranged father, that I can understand. But bugging and chasing after your half-sister who you've never met and clearly feels uncomfortable around you, and doing so to the point of interfering with medical business, is something only a truly selfish idiot would do. The one thing I agree with Meredith about is the "get your own life and stop living in mine" comment. I mean, honestly.
Throw in a bunch of meaningless interns and patients who get completely swallowed up in the petty and self-absorbed inter-hospital relationships, and whose only purpose is to convolute the whole setting...and you have Grey's Anatomy.
They should have stopped at season 2. It was good until then...then it just jumped like a bunny over that shark. A bunny that should be put out of its misery.
Another boring nighttime soap.
And can that asian chick BE any uglier???
This is the dumbest show. "Desperate Housewive" does "ER".
As the supposed audience identification character, Meredith is the most frustrating and impossible to like. It's now gotten to the point for me that I don't even like the actress (not really fair, I know)because of how the character is written. Now she's not only contradictory, confused and screwed up (like almost all attractive female characters on TV), she's become judgemental and snobbish. Just have a scene with her and Christina in bed and get it over with, for crying out loud!! They already have this cultish "person" thing going on to the exclusion of everyone else, so let them make each other miserable instead of everyone else, including the viewers. I'm happy for Kate Walsh getting her own show, but I miss her. Alex and Miranda are about the only two characters that I can stand to watch anymore. At least they've been consistent from the beginning. Izzy and George should just admit that they're best friends who love each other and move on to others. I even sense that with the actors. The two of them as a couple just isn't working.
Terrible, soft porn, awful actors who all think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I do enjoy the unintended irony that the character for whom the show was "cutsey" named, is the least interesting character and by far the worst actor. Poetic justice.
It jumped when they fired Isaiah Washington over a misunderstanding. Talk about real-life personal drama overshadowing the plotlines on the show. Every time Burke and George were in a scene together you could tell the show was symbolically punishing the Burke character, while glorifying Geogre.
Now we're stuck with a bunch of whiny, pathetic, sad-sack characters I don't care for. The show's totally starved of creativity to have so many redundant skeletons of relationships and hook-ups in a mere three and a half seasons. It's become totally a gimmick show and formulaic. Odd hook-up for no reason+ Bailey wisdom+ whiny self-centered pathos+ over-the-top illness+ crappy Indie rock tune+ less and less social interaction between residents+ grating, nasally voice over which makes Mederith sound smarter than she acts. Did I leave anything out?
Worst of all a show that was once accessible to any viewer now has a feminist, man-bashing air to it I don't care for. Thanks Ms. Rhimes for destroying what was once a great TV show.
Meredith Grey. I would really like her to be killed off. Not too much to ask, they keep messing with her character in the same annoying ways- so have her walk the plank- and take McDreamy with her.
I Love Greys Anatomy and i dont think it ever jumped the shark !!!.. Its doing great so none of your opionions even matter get over yourselves its Amazingggg !!!
I used to watch Grey's Anatomy all the time in Season 1 and 2. I loved it when Denny was on.
However, I stopped watching less after Izzy stops Denny's heart. I was a big fan of Denny and it sucked that they ended his life like that.
I was disappointed to hear that Burke left the show as well, which officially made me never watch the show again. I liked seeing Christina and Burke together more than anyone on that show. So now, I'm never watching again.
I'll stick to watching Seasons 1 and 2 and look on what could've been. The so-called scripts are all fetid bilgewater, and one of the main characters is a talking horse named Christine.Concerning the episode, it was awful. Grey's Anatomy will NEVER be the same it was on its first two seasons. Spontaneous, fun, thrilling and not so fantasious. Are we supposed to believe all this extreme idiotic unrealistic diseases, dramas and "Relationships"? The only thing that could happen is that the Chief declares his love for Meredith while both of them are performing a brain transplant surgery to a monkey in the hospital's parking lot. I mean, jump the shark stands for a situation that takes away a show's credibility. In seasons 1 and 2, patients died and the doctors had to get
over it. There were no 80 minutes in hell (that's probably where Meredith's going to) to say hi to your dog, your rescuer, your dog, your second best friend's dead fiancé, did I already mentioned your dog? I couldn't believe they pulled something as unbelievable as that. As a matter of fact, let's coin the use of "Ferry incident" from now on. One of TV's most stupid moments. My intelligence gets insulted every time we discover (insert male doctor's name) had always wanted to get laid with (insert female doctor's name). Are we to buy that?
Like someone said in this post, for me, Seasons 1 and 2 are all that there is for this show. Derek goes back with Adison, Burke and Cristina eventually marry, Izzie never recovers from Denny's death, George has a hard time becoming
a good doctor and Meredith continues to be single forever. The end.
To the person who wrote this: "Every few seasons, there is a new show that hits the airwaves that has a huge following and a ton of buzz, I watch it and I just don't get it. The show is actually insulting to anyone with half a brain, because it pretends to be well written, and realistic about likeable well meaning characters, but if you have half a brain you see through it. Grey's anatomy is the one this year. First, realism, first day of residence, they have residents performing surgery and doing rounds on their own. I would hate to be a patient at his hospital. Second, Alzheimer's. Dr. Grey's mother does not have Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's is a lot worse than they make it there. First of all, it is not just that you don't know your daughter is a doctor. You have no idea who people are, you can not recall words, don't know where you are. You don't think people are other people. Believe me Alzheimer's is a lot more progressive than they make it out to be. Third, narcissism, these doctors care only about themselves. "I must sit in on that surgery", I must make rounds, I must treat this patient, I I , me me. They care only about how treating the patient affects there own ego's not the patients. When my wife watches this show, I want to throw up. " Uh, let's go through this: "The show is actually insulting to anyone with half a brain, because it pretends to be well written, and realistic about likeable well meaning characters, but if you have half a brain you see through it." Wrong. I have, you might care to know, a reasonably high (above average) IQ and always have, and I can still enjoy it (and my, "half a brain" isn't a cliche, not at all). It may or may not be realistic as far as the medical stuff goes... I wouldn't know, as I'm not a med school student or anything of that nature. However, the character development is about as realistic as it gets on TV, and the characters are getting increasingly better-developed and more likeable, just as one would hope they would. "First, realism, first day of residence, they have residents performing surgery and doing rounds on their own. I would hate to be a patient at his hospital." My guess is it's a teaching hospital to begin with, but you do have to remember that this is TV, so of course a few things are going to bend. Just be glad it wasn't the character development that you oddly claim there to be a lack of. Characters are more important to me than the kind of realism mentioned by this previous poster, actually, and seeing as the opening credits featured a shot of a building long since gone, I think we can get away with pretending it's in some alternate universe where these things actually happen and just ignore it. "Second, Alzheimer's. Dr. Grey's mother does not have Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's is a lot worse than they make it there. First of all, it is not just that you don't know your daughter is a doctor. You have no idea who people are, you can not recall words, don't know where you are. You don't think people are other people. Believe me Alzheimer's is a lot more progressive than they make it out to be." You haven't seen ANY of the later episodes featuring Meredith's mother, have you? She mistakes George for her own ex-husband! Worse, she keeps on thinking he's him. She never realizes it's not him. The disease does not show all the symptoms at once in every person right away, and it's ridiculous to suggest anything of the kind, and more to the point, it is completely inaccurate in the context! Sometimes Meredith's mother doesn't realize Meredith is her daughter, and she increasingly believes one person is another person entirely. Also, who's to say the diagnosis was 100% accurate? Meredith's mother is fairly young, and none of her colleagues knew she apparently had it until very, very recently. There's a question of whether it IS Alzheimer's. Even if it is, most of the things you've described DO happen in the show, so stop complaining that that's not realistic. "Third, narcissism, these doctors care only about themselves. "I must sit in on that surgery", I must make rounds, I must treat this patient, I I , me me. They care only about how treating the patient affects there own ego's not the patients. When my wife watches this show, I want to throw up. " Well, you may want to have your digestive tract looked at. I've never had the urge to "throw up" over anything less than shots of people eating live insects on such crap reality shows as Fear Factor. If you had paid any attention at all, you would know that the narcissism is a wall they put up between themselves and others, one that's slowly being chipped away. Even the complete asshole intern and Cristina (played by Sandra Oh) have been revealed to have layers far beyond that. And when it came to said asshole having to perform open heart surgery in the elevator because nobody else could get down there and the patient was going to die if they didn't? He freaked out at the thought of having the guy's life in his hands. Not to mention the most recent episode, where they had to pick the one of the two who had a pole through them after being in a train wreck, and Meredith DID still try to save the "lost cause" patient. Or, in the same episode, Mr. Asshole (I can't recall his name... bloody sleep loss) being clearly upset that a woman who wasn't his patient and had seemed fine even after being in the train wreck (in fact, she was apparently only there for her friend who had had more serious injuries, and she kept making a Jillian calls on her cell phone saying "Oh yeah, we're fine...", etc.) suddenly up and died from internal bleeding that nobody knew was there. Even Mr. Asshole has developed a layer beyond the narcissism, and Cristina's, while more stubborn, is slowly being chipped at as well (and in my opinion, it seems she's neurotic for a reason - her mother drives her batty, and she's a perfectionist, possibly even OCD). People on the show DO have reasons for acting the way they do, and they ARE developing. I can understand being upset if some of the internship stuff doesn't match up to reality - hey, it doesn't bug me, but I could see how it could bug a person. But complaining about the character development, not to mention the treatment of the subject of Alzheimer's supposedly being incorrect? What show have YOU been watching? Because as of the October 30, 2005 episode of season 2, it certainly doesn't sound
The problem with this show in the last season is the completely ridiculous directions they took several main characters. Characters are supposed to evolve on a show over time, their changes should be organic and rational from what went before. Not so with Grey's Anatomy, several people on the show were transformed (largely sans legitimate explanation or precident) into behaving completely out of character.
- Addison; goes from intelligent, strong, outspoken, unapologetic to whiny, neurotic, sniveling doormat.
- Izzy is suddenly in love with George and vice versa when there is not only a total lack of chemistry, but zero basis in previous storyline. It would make sense if she was upset over Denny's death and insecure about her place as a surgeon and drunk and he was uncertain about his quicky marriage and drunk, and they just slept together, but the whole suddenly realizing their in love feels completely forced.
- Meredith is supposed to be a bright, capable, and ambitious surgeon and has devolved into a total train wreck.
- The whole Meredith and Derek "off-again" story at the end of the season also feels like an artificial attempt to drag out plot by uninspired writers. After everything they went through to be together, now all of the sudden Derek just isn't feeling it and Meredith doesn't really care? Stupid.
- Addison; goes from intelligent, strong, outspoken, unapologetic to whiny, neurotic, sniveling doormat.
- Izzy is suddenly in love with George and vice versa when there is not only a total lack of chemistry, but zero basis in previous storyline. It would make sense if she was upset over Denny's death and insecure about her place as a surgeon and drunk and he was uncertain about his quicky marriage and drunk, and they just slept together, but the whole suddenly realizing their in love feels completely forced.
- Meredith is supposed to be a bright, capable, and ambitious surgeon and has devolved into a total train wreck.
- The whole Meredith and Derek "off-again" story at the end of the season also feels like an artificial attempt to drag out plot by uninspired writers. After everything they went through to be together, now all of the sudden Derek just isn't feeling it and Meredith doesn't really care? Stupid.
It jumped when they fired Isaiah Washington over a misunderstanding. Talk about real-life personal drama overshadowing the plotlines on the show. Every time Burke and George were in a scene together you could tell the show was symbolically punishing the Burke character, while glorifying Geogre.
Now we're stuck with a bunch of whiny, pathetic, sad-sack characters I don't care for. The show's totally starved of creativity to have so many redundant skeletons of relationships and hook-ups in a mere three and a half seasons. It's become totally a gimmick show and formulaic. Odd hook-up for no reason+ Bailey wisdom+ whiny self-centered pathos+ over-the-top illness+ crappy Indie rock tune+ less and less social interaction between residents+ grating, nasally voice over which makes Mederith sound smarter than she acts. Did I leave anything out?
Worst of all a show that was once accessible to any viewer now has a feminist, man-bashing air to it I don't care for. Thanks Ms. Rhimes for destroying what was once a great TV show.
Now we're stuck with a bunch of whiny, pathetic, sad-sack characters I don't care for. The show's totally starved of creativity to have so many redundant skeletons of relationships and hook-ups in a mere three and a half seasons. It's become totally a gimmick show and formulaic. Odd hook-up for no reason+ Bailey wisdom+ whiny self-centered pathos+ over-the-top illness+ crappy Indie rock tune+ less and less social interaction between residents+ grating, nasally voice over which makes Mederith sound smarter than she acts. Did I leave anything out?
Worst of all a show that was once accessible to any viewer now has a feminist, man-bashing air to it I don't care for. Thanks Ms. Rhimes for destroying what was once a great TV show.
Grey's Anatomy has jumped the shark multiple times:
1. McBomb- ironic the moment this show became a hit with the Superbowl bomb scare, the quality of writing, plotlines, character development went down the toilet.
2. McCorpsy- Jeffery Dean Morgan's protrayal of a bed-ridden, scruffy-faced, pervert Denny realistically garnered the fancy of a 10 like Izzie, a lingerie model nontheless??
3. McRetarded- Special nods to Izzie for risking the careers of the whole cast cutting the LVAD, Richard for rehiring her and Burke/Christina for Tremorgate-the silliest yet sadly final based-in-reality subplot this show has had in a year.
4. The Gizzie Show- S3 had too many Geogre/Izzie centric episodes, together or otherwise.
5. The ferry crash. I figured Meredith wouldn't die but was all the tension and build-up necessary for a contrived purgatory scene with McBomb and McCorpsy? Then of course were to believe someone who's heart stopped pumping 90 mins ago suddenly awakens fully conscious and talking as if she were just sleeping. Giving what a downer Meredith already is, who it have been too much of a stretch to give her a somewhat realistic recovery?
6. McRushed- Too many cooks spoil the soup. 12 central charcters and 43 mins of screentime. Do the math. As such how can the audience relate to any of the characters.
7. McDepartures- the firing of Isaiah was inappropriate and blown up beyond rationality. Both he and Kate brought more to the show than Sloan, Callie, and George has and still do.
8. Which leads us to S4. While I find Lexie a well needed breath of fresh air, her alone cannot erase the overall air of negativity cloaking every other character's lives. And to think she just lost her mom, relocated to a strange city and daily faces her neurotic relations. She almost belongs on another show.
9. Lack of masculinity. With Burke gone all that's left is Alex to counter-balance the female leads. None of the other men are compatible with Mer, Christina, Izzie. This shows by the lack of a lasting relationship in the series. McDreamy via charcter assassination no longer conveys the 'dream guy' image the writers were counting on.
So with ever ridiculous, uncreative plots on the horizon (Swastika, Rose, Lexie/Geogre) maybe it's time Grey's cuts it's own LVAD wire stat!
1. McBomb- ironic the moment this show became a hit with the Superbowl bomb scare, the quality of writing, plotlines, character development went down the toilet.
2. McCorpsy- Jeffery Dean Morgan's protrayal of a bed-ridden, scruffy-faced, pervert Denny realistically garnered the fancy of a 10 like Izzie, a lingerie model nontheless??
3. McRetarded- Special nods to Izzie for risking the careers of the whole cast cutting the LVAD, Richard for rehiring her and Burke/Christina for Tremorgate-the silliest yet sadly final based-in-reality subplot this show has had in a year.
4. The Gizzie Show- S3 had too many Geogre/Izzie centric episodes, together or otherwise.
5. The ferry crash. I figured Meredith wouldn't die but was all the tension and build-up necessary for a contrived purgatory scene with McBomb and McCorpsy? Then of course were to believe someone who's heart stopped pumping 90 mins ago suddenly awakens fully conscious and talking as if she were just sleeping. Giving what a downer Meredith already is, who it have been too much of a stretch to give her a somewhat realistic recovery?
6. McRushed- Too many cooks spoil the soup. 12 central charcters and 43 mins of screentime. Do the math. As such how can the audience relate to any of the characters.
7. McDepartures- the firing of Isaiah was inappropriate and blown up beyond rationality. Both he and Kate brought more to the show than Sloan, Callie, and George has and still do.
8. Which leads us to S4. While I find Lexie a well needed breath of fresh air, her alone cannot erase the overall air of negativity cloaking every other character's lives. And to think she just lost her mom, relocated to a strange city and daily faces her neurotic relations. She almost belongs on another show.
9. Lack of masculinity. With Burke gone all that's left is Alex to counter-balance the female leads. None of the other men are compatible with Mer, Christina, Izzie. This shows by the lack of a lasting relationship in the series. McDreamy via charcter assassination no longer conveys the 'dream guy' image the writers were counting on.
So with ever ridiculous, uncreative plots on the horizon (Swastika, Rose, Lexie/Geogre) maybe it's time Grey's cuts it's own LVAD wire stat!
This show jumped the shark when it was conceived by its creators. Never have I seen such intellectually offensive pile of catarrh actually pull good ratings. But, I must say I do watch it. How do I reconcile that? You'll have to figure it out. I live with a nursing student, so she watches it religiously, so I am kind of pulled into the loop. I am nearly ready to give up on it, though. The only thing that has kept me watching it is the occasional humor, plus I think the character of Dr. Shepherd is well-written and about the only one I really care about. So, I watch, and wait for Meredith maybe to die, or slip into a coma so she could be seen but not heard, and preferably not seen. I must say, however, I am appalled by most people's attitude towards Derek Shepherd. They seem to think it is somehow mysogonist of people to think of him as the victim, even though he had an affair with another woman. Well, let me hit you with some knowledge: Derek was always the victim in the whole Derek-Addison-Meredith-Mark thing. Consider the events, and the chronology is very important. He (Derek) caught his wife in bed with his best friend (!); taking this as a hint that his marriage is over (which I would, too), he leaves for Seattle, where Addison leaves him alone for a year while she continues sleeping with Mark. So, he has gone, and in his mind, his marriage is over. If he never saw Addison again, he would be fine. So he meets Meredith, and yes, shacks up with her after picking her up in a bar. But then, they get serious and he genuinely falls in love with her. Enter Addison, who now traipses in with thoughts of reconciliation. Well, his relationship with Meredith is still relatively new and he is now torn between his new love and the woman who he once loved and obviously still has feelings for even though she stomped on his heart. So he holds off on making the divorce official and tries, yes, really tries to smooth things out with Addison. They live together, work together, sleep together, and everything, but by the end of the year he can no longer deny the fact that he loves Meredith and not Addison. So, he sleeps with Meredith again and confirms it to himself and to Meredith that he will end it with Addison, which he does. Finding her with Mark again further convinced him that he was doing the right thing. Now, through all this he has been trying to reconcile with Addison because he believes his relationship with Meredith has been the main cause of the collapse of their marriage, and he feels guilty. He has even forgiven Addison the two nights he has found her with Mark. Then, after they divorce, she informs him that, in fact, she had had a lasting affair with Mark and thought they were even in love. Now, he realizes, he has been feeling like the perpetrator of the whole mess for nothing, and he feels understandably bitter and angry with both Addison AND Mark. He is alone in his pain, and not even Meredith can help him now; can't you bloodsuckers cut him some slack? His life for the past two years has been spent in unbearable pain, uncalled-for guilt and suffering, and a gut-wrenching choice between two women he loves. He is definitely the victim of the show, the one who gets shit on most consistently. Now, for all that, I would certainly choose Addison over Meredith in his place; Addison is much hotter, far less annoying, has a better voice, and is overall smarter and funnier than Meredith (who I firmly believe is a whore) could ever hope to be. Nonetheless, we'll see if karma catches up with all the characters and maybe then Derek will come out on top after all. Oh, and Preston Burke is the most likable character and the one I sympathize with the most, because, from what I can see, he has almost no faults other than his ego, which he keeps in line pretty effectively.
The second season finale. I'm sorry, but in real life, there is NO WAY a patient who JUST had a heart transplant would be left completely unattended, with no one even watching his monitors. I kind of didn't expect Denny to make it through the transplant procedure... but I can't believe they really killed him off in the end. I really was pulling for him and Izzie. It's just outrageous how they were "engaged" one minute, and then he's dead within the hour. Instead of seeing a wedding on the show next season, it'll be a funeral. I don't know if I'll be able to watch again... that is, provided the show gets renewed.
Grey's Anatomy is not a very good show; for instance, the pilot (and all the other episodes) was see-through as an open window (example given, who didn't know RIGHT WHEN GEORGE PROMISED, that the guy was gonna die in the OR?), obviously not only the medicine, but the other characters are window-dressing to the oh-so-great romance of Lady Meredith and Sir Derek (complete with predictably-cheating-with-his-best-friend-and-soon-to-be-ex-wife, no-chemistry and the big one... the fanfictionish 'Choose me. Love me.' speech. Hold a radio over my head outside your window kind of love? In which way is this considered romantic? And by who, an ear specialist?), and obnoxiously paired-up. (Alex and IZZIE? Christina and BURKE? If we REALLY want a couple (which we don't), Alex and Christina is the way to go). I won't comment about the Medical mistakes as I am not a Doctor, but do really surgeons take care of EVERY SINGLE KIND of emergencies? Where's the ER personnel? And when the asshole character (Alex Karev) is the most likeable, you know you have big problems... why? Because Ms. Creator (it's created by a woman, and sadly it shows) does not seem to care about her characters, but pressures the show's writers to put in scenes she'd like to watch (this taken from an interview she did some time ago). The result is something that makes me say 'where did I see this before? Oh yeah! 24 Hours, ER Pilot! (The pilot idea and whole structure-same) Haleh! (Miranda Bailey is practically a badly done clone... and sometimes it sounds like Kerry Weaver from Season 2) Six Feet Under, Season 1 Episode 3 'The Foot' (Foot goes missing, Christina looks for it-they handled it better in SFU), ER Season 1 episode 'Blizzard' (Alex being clearly upset that a woman who wasn't his patient and had seemed fine even after being in the train wreck (in fact, she was apparently only there for her friend who had had more serious injuries, and she kept making a Jillian calls [by the way, it's 'zillion', you girl] on her cell phone saying "Oh yeah, we're fine...", etc.) suddenly up and died from internal bleeding that nobody knew was there-Doug Ross and the old man, anybody?) ER! (Meredith=Susan, Christina=Carol, Isobel=Lucy, George=Carter, Alex=Benton, Burke=Edson, Dr. Webber=Dr. Anspaugh) Hot, new medical drama MY ASS! Why does this get great ratings when it should go down the way of 'North Shore' (cancelled and forgotten), I don't know. Final line; it's girly, it's soapy, we don't need it. Spin off Alex and Christina, then cancel it. Oh, by the way, Meredith taking 'nurse' as an insult and the various put-downs on nurses didn't endear you me no further; my uncle is a nurse, and I know how hard they work, so back off, will you? PS: The opening credits BLOW and the style is obviously a poor copy of Six Feet Under's. The song is nice, but totally inappropriate for the show, and the scene where the title appears is very disrespectful of medicine. Oh, one 'last' thing: it is NOT entertaining at all.
First "Lost", then "Invasion", and now this. I've seen two episodes of this tripe and I sometimes wonder what kind of people work at ABC Television or if they just have a cult made up of apes who are just trained to stamp the words, "Green light" on every piece of paper that crosses the idea desk. The acting sucks, the situations are highly and laughably unbelievable (a patient's heart catches fire during surgery, a "pregnant" male patient whose doctor allows people to view what comes out of a patient's stomach, doctors who constantly violate the doctor/patient relationship, etc.) and horrible dialogue (e.g., DOCTOR TO WHEELCHAIR PATIENT: "Motor mouth!" PATIENT: "Jerk!" DOCTOR: "Two-wheeler!" PATIENT (Giggling): "That's not very politically correct!"). Ugh...even the great Patrick Dempsey looks flat-out bored and uninterested. And let's not even discuss the lack of heat/chemistry/sparks/anything between Isaiah Washington and the overrated Sandra Oh. What also irks me is that we are practically ordered to treat this show like gold because it's a "hot medical drama" about "doctors" in a "hospital" even though it's nowhere NEAR resembling such. Jumped the very first episode...but that doesn't stop ABC from making more of it.
I still, to this day, think of the final episode and Fiscus's comment to Gideon: "It's never over till the fat lady sings." Cue his patient, an opera singer with laryngitis who gets her voice back at that moment. 20-odd years later, I remember my reaction: "How ... HOW ... did I not see that coming??" All the signs were there: final show ... heavyset opera singer ... "she has to sing tonight" ... and they slipped it under the radar.
This said, that was shortly after Luther's heartbreaking cry, "Code blue! Code blue! Help Dr. Auschlander!" Then, quietly, despairingly, his face falling, he says, "Dr. Auschlander's dead." Shortly after Westphall's suprise return to the hospital and his own heartbreak at learning of the death of his friend and mentor of 40 years. We had plenty to distract us.
But then, so many shows today would wave that in front of your face: "Hey! Fat lady on the final show! Get it? Get the joke that we're telegraphing from 25 minutes off?"
This show was so wonderful and so underappreciated. Dated in today's terms? Sure. But it would put every other medical show out there ... save, maybe, "Scrubs" ... to shame.
This said, that was shortly after Luther's heartbreaking cry, "Code blue! Code blue! Help Dr. Auschlander!" Then, quietly, despairingly, his face falling, he says, "Dr. Auschlander's dead." Shortly after Westphall's suprise return to the hospital and his own heartbreak at learning of the death of his friend and mentor of 40 years. We had plenty to distract us.
But then, so many shows today would wave that in front of your face: "Hey! Fat lady on the final show! Get it? Get the joke that we're telegraphing from 25 minutes off?"
This show was so wonderful and so underappreciated. Dated in today's terms? Sure. But it would put every other medical show out there ... save, maybe, "Scrubs" ... to shame.
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